Thursday, May 03, 2007

G. Beck Uncovers Muslim Plot to Silence Dissent in America

Just put quotation marks around just about every word in the sentence, and you've got it!

My blog was getting a little cold. That's because I've been wasting my time working and commenting on other people's uninformed opinions.

Speaking of which... this video is of Glenn Beck, a cable-TV blowhard saying that there's some conspiracy to get Americans to shut up. And he's not talking about the Bush Administration's need to stop us from criticising his war, either.

A few points:

1. The headline to this video is a little misleading. There was no uncovering done here by Bleck... because he came up with no proof--only a few possibly tangential pieces of circumstantial evidence linking ONE of the Imams to charity groups that, as he says, "HAVE BEEN SUSPECTED" of having ties to terrorist groups. As we've seen in some court cases like this, those suspicions can turn out completely wrong.

2. Blech makes no case for a "Plot to silence dissent" by Muslims. Seems he thinks that if nobody else is telling this half-baked story that he made up, then that's evidence enough of a plot to silece dissent.

3. Several statements by Belch clarify, to me at least, that he doesn't care if Muslims are peaceful or not--they're Muslims and therefore have no place in our culture. Things like "we'll have to worry about separation of mosque and state" rather than separation of church and state. That has nothing to do with terrorism, but only a fear of another religion.

4. One piece of evidence that he "uncovers" and claims is damning is the fact that he used to belong to a Muslim group who had in their philosophy that "governments should eventually be Islamic." First, that's fairly innocuous--I mean, most Christians would say the same thing regarding their own religion, that governments should eventually be Christian, and will be so during the Millennium. The group's philosophy statement, as related by Belloq, does not advocate a holy war to bring about such a change, only that they should "eventually" be Muslim.

I'm against both notions myself.

4 comments:

janice said...

Mo, number 4 is wrong. Beck was never a muslim. He's now a Mormon, used to be Catholic. And ALL muslims can not separate government and religion. They believe islam is the perfect way for man to live his life and the koran/hadiths answer everything from how to wipe yourself after a movement to the weight a womens testimony carries in court.

Mojo_Risin said...

Janice,
Welcome to the board...

But the "he" in #4 refers to the imam in the video, not Beck.

I believe you're wrong about the Muslims not being able to separate government and religion. Though I've heard fundamentalist Christians say there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim, they actually DO exist.

And your examples seem almost mirror images of the Pentateuchical Law in the Old Testament. You'll find 1000 examples therethat are just as exact.

janice said...

Sorry, I wasn't sure who the "he" was.

Anyway, most sects of islam believe in total islamic dominance. If not, they're (in the eyes of "true muslims") infidels as well.

If muslims can, as you say, separate politics from religion, point to me a democratic muslim country. Turkey is rolling off your lips, however, as muslims gain a larger hold of parliamentarian seats the shift is towards sharia. The riots a few weeks ago is/was against the muslim rule.

If you're an atheist and anti-religion in general I can understand. But your total blindness to evil baffles me.
You seem so quick to believe the worst about Jews and Christians and give a pass to muslims.

If I may suggest a great book (2 really) to enlighten you a bit.
"Antichrist, Islam's Awaited Messiah" by Joel Richardson and the other is "Age of Tolerance - From Al to Allah" by Glen Reinsford.

Take it for what it's worth.

Mojo_Risin said...

First off, let me say for the record that I believe the Middle East is a pit of fear and hatred. They're just a pissed-off set of people. But I believe that it's a historical accident that they're that way. Here's a post telling more.

But I also believe, as that post points out, that if the situations had been reversed, and Christianity had become the religion of the ME, and Islam had moved through Europe, that we'd have more Christian terrorists.

So tell me where I've "believed the worst about Christians and Jews" and given a pass to Muslims.

By the way, I have no religion, but until I was 21, I was a fundamentalist Christian with plans to become a missionary. Master's College in California was my school of choice. So I've seen a lot of people who would fit the extreme personality profile of the Muslim terrorist.

I also think you've made my point when you said "most" sects of Islam believe in total Islamic dominance. Doesn't that leave some who don't? And then doesn't it follow that the problem isn't with Islam, but with the interpretations of the people who practice it? The same can be said about sects of Christians (the Westboro Bible Church leaps to mind).

And Turkey is a great example, despite what you say. Those were secular Muslims rioting there a few weeks ago -- people who didn't want their religion to run the government.